On Tuesday October 19th, 1999, we welcomed researcher Marshall Barnes back for another chat about the Philadelphia Experiment and his other investigations. This chat focuses on the implications of the PX and what might be possible using the physics of the PX.
This is the third PX chat - we have the first and second chats also archived. If you are new to the Philadelphia Experiment, check out our intro article.
Besides writing and producing videos on the PX, Marshall Barnes has been a guest on the Art Bell Show, the Laura Lee Show, A&E's Unexplained and the X-Zone radio show.
This transcript has been edited so that questions match up with responses. Non PX comments have been omitted.
Marshall Barnes - Hi folks! Sorry I'm late!
123fish - Tough time getting on?
Marshall Barnes - Yeah. How about you all?
dwcooper - No problem
Marshall Barnes - DW is that really you?
dwcooper - Yes
Marshall Barnes - Cool
RAGman - Finally happy to meet you MB
dwcooper - Heard you on Bell
Marshall Barnes - Thanks. I really appreciate it. OK what does everybody want to know? Tonight I'm spilling the beans.
dwcooper - Incunabula
Marshall Barnes - That's a good place to start. The Incunabula is a catalog of books that you need to read to understand transdimensional travel.
Marshall Barnes I first encountered it in 1991. I was intrigued by its similarity with events that were already happening in my life.
123fish - Is it connected to the PX?
Marshall Barnes - The Incunabula is connected theoretically to the PX via the teleportation aspect of the PX legend.
RAGman - Why did you disrespect that poor old naval historian?
Marshall Barnes - I disrespected the "poor old" naval historian because he was knowingly misleading the American people. I proved that when I did the sting op againt him. Hey, this is info war and he knows it. That's just they way it goes.
RAGman - Where does Allen fit in?
RAGman - I believe the historian was being truthful
Marshall Barnes - RAGman, do you mean Carl Allen? If so, he's not a good witness at all and I don't believe that he saw the PX. I do believe that he talked to Dr. Rinehart by chance at a lecture somewhere because he had heard about the PX during the war. I've talked to other sailors that said they heard about it in 1943 and 1944, so Allende (or Allen) is NOT the source of the PX story.
Marshall Barnes - RAGman, I proved the historian was a liar. Read http://www.viewzone.com/philadelphia.html again. He was even lying about not ever hearing about Area 51 for crying out loud...
RAGman - There is NO conspiracy!
dwcooper - yeah...sure !!!
Marshall Barnes - As far as there being no conspiracy, I've proven already as well.
RAGman - What about the DE-173 reunion?
Marshall Barnes - RAGman, I and my team contacted the so-called "crew" of the PX. First of all, that was the official crew that had the reunion. If you would read any of the books on the PX, all of them say that the crew involved was not the official crew but one specially selected for that mission. Dr. Rinehart, who was the scientist that worked on part of it even identified that some of them were part of the Murmansk Run from England to Russia via the North Sea. That route took them through areas heavily guarded by Nazi surface ships with radar. What better reason to get those men to volunteer for the PX than to say if this works, it will protect you guys from the radar armed ships.
RAGman - Do you believe that the DE-173 was rendered invisible, was teleported, traveled thru time?
Marshall Barnes - RAGman, I know that the technology to make the ship invisible existed then. I know that there are now interesting scientifically based facts that support an interest in teleportation. I don't believe that the ship traveled in time.
ProfessorD - Marshall, I'd like to hear more from you about the Incunabula, and how it led to your current research.
markhais - What about the Montauk Project?
Marshall Barnes - As far as the Incunabula goes...
RAGman - You don't believe we can be allies after that "UNEXPLAINED" episode but I was telling the truth as I had researched it!
Marshall Barnes - I think there is much merit to the concept of the Montauk Project. Here's a secret: there is a model of the universe that Jacques Vallee called...
Marshall Barnes - This associative model would answer many of the questions that arise from quantum physics. What it says is that the universe is made up as much of information as it is of matter and energy and that consciousness is how we interact with the version of the universe. According to Jacques Vallee in his book, Messengers of Deception, such a model of the universe would allow for time travel and many other things...
dwcooper - Valle's best book
Marshall Barnes - Yes, DW. It is Vallee's best book, and written before he went over to the other side.
RAGman - If you're quoting Vallee...how about his...WAIT! Didn't you attack Vallee's credibility?
Marshall Barnes - Yes RAGman. I not only attacked Vallee's credibility, but his very work, BUT it was the work that he did with Anatomy of a Hoax, which was a blatant fraud. But that DOESN'T MEAN that he was always one of the bad guys, or that he isn't sorry for what he did. I used to be a big fan of Vallee in his early career and I'll never take away from that. That doesn't mean I'm going let him slide on that crap that he wrote for the JSE.
ProfessorD - OK, so the Incunabula was a sort of map, designed to help you figure out how they did things?
Marshall Barnes - On the Incunabula as a map, it is a guide, a carefully written "how to". Go to http://www.incunabula.org and read the description of the alleged book, Alternate Realities,, by Nick Herbert. That description includes 80% of what you need to know.
123fish - How did you come to learn of the incunabula?
RAGman - Some of this sounds like an infomercial for dementia.
RAGman - So then...anyone who disagrees with you is part of the "conspiracy?"
ProfessorD - Anyone who attempts to distort the reality of what might have happened with some weak ass evidence (if you could call it that) is part of the conspiracy in my book.
Marshall Barnes - RAGman, I proved the Anatomy was a fraud. It's as simple as that. That's why Vallee never came back at me on it.
Marshall Barnes - RAGman, if you have any doubts go to http://www.ufomind.com/people/v/vallee and the whole account is listed there with the evidence.
RAGman - Attacking fellow researchers won't win the war!
ProfessorD - No way would Vallee have withstood a real peer review with anyone even remotely informed on the subject, RAGman. And that's the only REAL battle that you have to face, in my opinion.
Marshall Barnes - the secret to the transdimensional travel thing lies in the intersection of fractal geometry and chaos math, quantum physics, the Eisntein/Rosen bridge, cybernetically enhanced bio-feedback, altered states of consciousness, Bell's Theorem, crystallography, morphogenetic field theory, and catastrophe topology for the most part.
dwcooper - Don't forget Schrodinger's poor cat
Marshall Barnes - Yeah, DW but the cat is part of the whole quantum thing.
Marshall Barnes - The reason why all these subjects count is because they describe the way that the whole idea works...
dwcooper - But the cat's inter-re-action leads to the Evert-Wheeler thesis.
Marshall Barnes - The E/R bridge has to do with the throat of a wormhole. Now, here's where we go back to the PX. Allende told Robert Goerman, who has now proven himself to be a liar and a fraud, BTW, that the teleportation took place via something that Allende called the Einstein bridge-tunnel propulsion method...
RAGman - Aww...I'm neither a liar nor a fraud...just a researcher who wants the truth.
Marshall Barnes - RAGman, so you're Goerman! Well, I called you one because you are. You've lied about me at Shelton's Web site repeatedly because you're just a jealous excuse for a researcher. You've had plenty of time to figure this whole thing out and you never did, but because I've blown past you like your research never existed (and it might as well not have) you've claimed that I've bilked people out of $20 for buying my books, said I was no better than Drue (who I also proved is a fraud).
markhais - RAGman, are your Robert Goerman?
Marshall Barnes - What he was trying to say was that the ship's field created a E/R bridge and then did something known as quantum tunneling. This is where a particle goes through a barrier of some sort and reappears on the other side without spending time in the barrier.
jshaffer - So, how do you make something as big as a ship tunnel?
ProfessorD - You have mentioned before that the ship acted as a giant electron...
Marshall Barnes - Yes, Professor D. The field actually would have acted as a giant electron and there is now a company that is going to use the same technology for space travel. That company is Unitel out of Oregon and one of their representatives has confirmed that Allende's description of what allegedly happened with the PX is what they are planning to do...
Marshall Barnes - Their web site is http://www.unitelnw.com. I strongly suggest that you all visit it and look on the pages they have under the titles of "propulsion" and "special skin" for the technical data that matches the description of the teleportation process alleged from the PX.
ProfessorD - I've gone to Unitel's Web site and read their descriptions. I like their idea for a quantum computer.
Marshall Barnes - ProfessorD, these guys stumbled on the same physics for their craft as what was used with the PX. They've confirmed it.
dwcooper - Isn't the egg the same as a "Merkabah
ProfessorD - I think that the invisibility is a side effect of the true purpose of the Unitel craft...
Marshall Barnes - I have no evidence that the Egg exists. I do know how to build one and I might be able to make it work, but it would take much experimentation. I mentioned crystallography earlier. That has to do with the physics of crystalline solids - in other words, what you need to know build the craft...
DeNite - You cannot see an F-15 on the radars for example, so that is not so big deal to experiment with anymore.
Marshall Barnes - There is an interesting link between that and the Unitel craft. The Unitel craft design is based on the shape of a certain particle or something...
DeNite - I am afraid, we can only speculate about all other things behind that experiment, so many combinations, theories. And the people who know about it are not here to chat with us.
Marshall Barnes - I can't remember which, but Al had figured that the molecular shapes of these solids would be the type of shape you'd want to base a craft on. I groked that from looking at the similarity between them and the Egg itself...
ProfessorD - Marshall, please elaborate on the crystallography you mentioned. Does a certain frequency (resonant frequency) have to be involved?
Marshall Barnes - No, the crystallography has to do with craft shape.
Marshall Barnes - Unitel, likewise figured that the shape of the craft was important and pursued the same research.
dwcooper - Are you stating you believe Unitel is capable of trans-dimensional travel ?
ProfessorD - I don't think Unitel is capable of much of anything unless they can drum up some venture capital... Hopefully their quantum computer will come to fruition soon.
Marshall Barnes - What I mean is we know that on the invisibility side what the physics would be. You need a field that will create a dielectric breakdown of the air. Now where you go from there is easy once you create that first condition. You just start experimenting with resonance, etc. But you have to reach that first condition. I suggest you look at the technical section of the http://www.viewzone.com/philadelphia.html article to see what I mean. There are excellent examples in photographs.
ProfessorD - You told me once to bone up on my psychotronics lit. Where does that come into play?
dwcooper - psychotronics...yes ...psychotronics
Marshall Barnes - ProfessorD, the psychotronics comes into play because what we want to do is interface with the associative universe. In other words, the psychotronics allow us to take advantage of the mind/matter interactions and effect objective reality. That's the current area of my research. I've built a studio for that expressed purpose. It's also how Montauk was done and in many ways, what the Incunabula, Ong's Hat material is based on. They sit in the Egg, they enter an altered state with the destination that they want in mind. But, it is not an out of body experience, per say. Your actual physical body is translocated to another position.
ProfessorD - So, by what means do you interface? How do you input information into the system, and receive data back?
Marshall Barnes - They are hooked up to equipment that allows for their thoughts to affect the system - how exactly they don't say but it does. Then the Egg disappears. Now what really bugged me about that was how does the Egg "go"?
Marshall Barnes - What I determined first was that they were generating an intense quantum tunneling field as would seem to have been done with the PX... probablilities that they would be able to tunnel to their destination.
Marshall Barnes - Yes Professor, I'm talking about physical travel, thus the use of the Egg, etc.
ProfessorD - The energy required to teleport the PX must have been massive. Do you think the Egg is primarily powered by the ability of the mind to affect matter at the quantum level, or did they have to use an external power source?
DeNite - I have a feeling that the PX would have dealt with matter-antimatter fields.
Marshall Barnes - OK, I'll try to address the interface problem. It has to be done in a way that your conscious "intent" is projected out and interacts with the fabric of spacetime. In the Montauk Project it was with the Sage radar and other equipment. With the Incunabula it is unclear...
Marshall Barnes - In my studio I use several antennas as well as other equipment. I built a helmet like that described in the Ong's Hat material. That helmet is connected to the psychotronics and the transmission equipment. It was tested, began to make synchronicities happen that provided the information to make the system bigger.
ProfessorD - So, you think that the consciousness of the subject was amplified by the use of these antennas.
123fish - Do you give tours of your studio?
ProfessorD - How about a virtual tour?
Marshall Barnes - I have no tours of my studio, its very secret for security reasons.
Marshall Barnes - I will have information explaining in detail how it all works or at least how you could build your own.
ProfessorD - VERY COOL
ProfessorD - So the system was assisting in its own construction? Sounds almost like you tapped into a collective consciousness of some sort.
Marshall Barnes - Yes ProfessorD. I have tapped into something or at least gotten a reaction.
jshaffer - Do you think it's like the Hutchison effect but with a conscious design behind it?
Marshall Barnes - The subsequent expansion of the system may be part of the answer to that intent.
Marshall Barnes - I don't think it's the Hutchinson effect because that involves very specific physical conditions. Right?
ProfessorD - So, in other words, you tried to gain access to a parallel world, but the equipment wasn't right. But whatever you contacted, gave you more information so that you could fullfill your intent.
jshaffer - Apparently Hutchison never figured out exactly what the conditions were, because he could only repeat it at random.
jshaffer - So I wonder if the psychotronics component was the answer.
ProfessorD - That sounds a lot like the old Greek philosophy, that all human knowledge is stored in the spirit... but that at birth you forget everything and have to learn it again...
Marshall Barnes - No, ProfessorD. I didn't "try" to gain access I asked for circumstances that would "lead" me in that direction. There is a difference...
Marshall Barnes - I knew I didn't have the right system to attempt to open a portal or make direct contact but perhaps I'm getting closer now.
ProfessorD - OK, were there any other synchronicities that you noticed? What about the Powerball number, perhaps? Talk about your venture capitalism- :)
ProfessorD - Actually, that would be a great test of your system. The ball machine picks a number with about the same statistical randomness as the motion of a gaseous atomic particle. If you could influence the outcome of the event, the machine would have been a success. and you would have forfeited your earnings :)
Marshall Barnes - THAT means we have "warped' reality the same as a mass in space "warps" spacetime.
markhais - Hey, I talked to Joe Matheny about you and the incunabula and he thought I was you
Marshall Barnes - Hey Mark, what can I say? Joe seems to just want to spread more of the mystery anyway, and make comics books.
markhais - Ha!... yeah man, you're right
ProfessorD - So Ong's Hat was a real place, or fictional? And where are the people responsible for the catalog? Have they all disappeared to their parallel paradise?
Marshall Barnes - No, there's no evidence that what is described in Ong's Hat actually happened there although that's what the rumor is. I've given up on chasing those leads down. That's why I'm going public with what I know. If those people are still around, they'll probably try to contact me.
Marshall Barnes - Besides as far as the "catalog" goes, that was Peter Lamborn Wilson's doing. He told us so himself in 1991 and then he said that the whole thing was a hoax but not to tell anyone because he wanted to see how far it would go.
Marshall Barnes - Now, the problem with the Incunabula being a hoax is that the physics and everything makes sense...
jshaffer - If the ideas are valid, it doesn't matter if the catalog is real or not.
jshaffer - Like the guy who discovered the shape of the benzene molecule after dreaming of a hoop snake.
Marshall Barnes - I tested some of the consciousness based tech and it worked.
eldridge - A good lie uses part fact and part fiction?
Marshall Barnes - Right! Schaffer! You hit the nail RIGHT ON THE HEAD. The whole thing with saying Herbert wrote a book that he didn't, and then describing it with the very crux of the entire concept so pinheads like Goerman would look at it and go "Duh, this book isn't real, so the subjects must be phony too!" that would just keep the pinheads out of it and the people that know how to use their noggins and do research would discover otherwise.
Marshall Barnes - So you use a hoax or a lie to reveal the truth. The fractals are related because they describe values between one and zero just as quatum physics does, but then the fractals give you visualizations of how those parallel worlds could be laid. But I think it's just a metaphorical description rather than literal. We know that parallel worlds split off at right angles to each other, over and over again.
eldridge - That's why you get paid the big bucks....
Marshall Barnes - That's right, eldridge. And why he doesn't get to do chat events, and lectures!
ProfessorD - OK, Marshall, last time we talked briefly about Michael Persinger's work. We already know that his conclusions are bunk- what I can't get out of my head is the way he influenced brain activity through an external electromagnetic device. Is your equipment similar, or are you doing the exact opposite - influencing the equipment via your brain activity (EM or other)?
Marshall Barnes - The cybernetically enhanced bio-feedback is related to the psychotronic mind/machine interface aspects...
eldridge - Is Persinger just the smart ass errand boy spin doctor of the Aviary?
ProfessorD - the DATA, Fred, the DATA!!!
eldridge - You yourself said just now that you think that his conclusions are bunk. Any your bonking my head about data...
Marshall Barnes - I'm not trying to do what Persinger is because it's just affecting the operator. That means all the data is subjective. Mine is the opposite. I'm trying to effect objective reality. If I don't have physical evidence of my synchronicity, it doesn't count. I closely detailed 4 synchronicities in my first book, The Case for the Philadelphia Experiment...
eldridge - Are your initial tests (recently) successful enough for you to say that you have affected objective reality?
Marshall Barnes - I don't know how Persinger fits in with the Aviary. I just know that he's practicing bad science and it doesn't relate at all with what I'm doing.
eldridge - He does look so cute on tv doesn't he?
eldridge - Yeah Dustin, like his bosses down south.
eldridge - Well, if he's giving people experiences in the lab that replicate other peoples experiences outside of the lab, how is that bad science?
Marshall Barnes - That is bad science in my book. "oh look. my outcomes here explain this phenomena over here" when it doesn't. I don't know what else I'd call it.
ProfessorD - OK, so what about this new Web site? I'm looking forward to it.
eldridge - New Web site? Come on Marshall give it up?
Marshall Barnes - The new Web Site would have been done except for the unexpected occurrence of a new development that might be related to the machine. I've discovered a new non-lethal weapon and it pretty much knocked us all out of commission!
ProfessorD - Marshall, please plan carefully. Sometimes even if the experiment is successful, mainstream "scientists" will still claim that the Sun revolves around the Earth. I know you, and I know that you are all about good experimental planning, so I don't know what I'm harping about. I just want to see your work justified for the ground breaking stuff that I think it is.
Marshall Barnes - The short story is that Joe was with us when we got a radio transmission that put the whammy on us when I turned it up...
eldridge - Give him time Dustin. He will knock the crap out of those who've been blocking the truth...
eldridge - what sort of whammy?
ProfessorD - AH, Eldridge, but are his subjects really having episodes that mimic what MAP says they do? The people may experience components of a certain experience, be it an OBE or UFO experience, but he has not replicated those experiences in any way. In their entirety, anyway.
Marshall Barnes - So, it screwed up the time table for getting the site done. It will be "announced" on the Mack Shelton message board and at http://www.montaukproject.com
ProfessorD - Is this the Luweston Wave Weapon I read about in your teaser?
Marshall Barnes - The whammy was a state of shock and disorientation that lasted for about two hours.
eldridge - Huh?
Marshall Barnes - Right. Knocked us on our asses!
eldridge - You mean, that a radio transmission came over your set and knocked you guys silly?
ProfessorD - Did you cause the radio transmission, or how is this tied into your other research?
Marshall Barnes - I could describe it but I won't. I did check to see if it was detectable on other radios and it wasn't. Just this one in particular.
eldridge - Really? And where did this come from and what did the transmission say? Did it come from the veritable parallel world we've been salivating about?
Marshall Barnes - Yes. The transmission knocked us silly. Like 8 martinis silly but not as pleasant at all. I have experience with EM induced altered states and ones from light/sound synchs. This was different.
eldridge - Wow. I take it that this was unexpected? how can you protect yourself from this happening again?
Marshall Barnes - I don't know where it came from but it didn't happen at the studio. It happened somewhere else that is synchronistically linked to the parallel worlds concept though. Right now we jokingly call it the "signal from outta space"!
eldridge - Yeah. It's says: Marshall call home!
ProfessorD - A parallel Marshall Barnes? Imagine all of the ass-whoop potential there...
MarshallBarnes - Yes, it's close, but in many ways I "think" it might be better. I'm going to do some development work with to see just how well it really works, but I've already got one police department interested.
eldridge - I want to underwrite the initial public offering!
Marshall Barnes - That's another thing about it. It's not accessable every time. Just at certain ones and only on this one radio. Go figure.
ProfessorD - OK, to be perfectly clear...this acoustic weapon has nothing to do with your audio tapes blasting Jaques Vallee...although you could market them as such. :)
Marshall Barnes - Well, I already know how to legally protect it and I am going to alter it in some ways any way. But it's really weird. I have no idea where it's coming from but it really did do a number on us.
Marshall Barnes - Oh, no. Professor. It has nothing to do with Vallee. This only happened the day before yesterday.
eldridge - Maybe an alien source? I shouldn't have said alien....it means nothing...
Marshall Barnes - Right. I would NEVER claim it was alien...
eldridge - Maybe the good guys at Haarp have set up a special channel just for you?
ProfessorD - Have you thought that the signal may be coming from one of you?? Maybe the radio you had picked up a vibe of some sort...
Marshall Barnes - I actually thought it might be government or the police but the cops don't seem to know anything about it. They're actually interested in a demonstration to see if they'll want to buy it.
eldridge - O.K. you don't know the source. Hopefully next time you'll have better luck with landing the fish...
ProfessorD - There is a possibility that your research has made you more sensitive to perturbing the space around you...
ProfessorD - OK, please go into depth about one more thing from the teaser...the D4,D5,E6,E7 model of the universe. I was totally lost on that one.
Marshall Barnes - D4, D5, E6, E7 is the sophisticated, smartass way of saying 'multiverse' as implied by Everett/Wheeler.
eldridge - I always thought you and I were aliens.
ProfessorD - Fred, you know damn well that you are an Atlantean Scientist. What with all of that poetry that you've been spouting lately. :)
ProfessorD - Hey Marshall, have you ever heard of Chica Bruce? I see her on the Infinity Factory every once in a while talking about the Montauk Project. I think she's full of shit, but that's my opinion.
Marshall Barnes - I know Chica Bruce.
eldridge - And?
ProfessorD - Maybe you could get in touch with the producer and get on the show to tell your side of the story (http://www.disinfo.com)
Marshall Barnes - I'm writing a sequel to the Rinehart Files that is about Chica and me and what we did last summer. It's called Two Against Top Secret.
eldridge - I take it that you think well of Chica?
ProfessorD - I'd like to see you on Infinity Factory. I think its a great show, and you could get some good air time. What I mean about your side of the story is what you've discovered about the Montauk Project.
Marshall Barnes - I saw your comment about my perturbing space. But why would it only happen in one spot, as far as that radio signal go/
eldridge - Like they say on Star Trek: A temporal distortion? I have not the slightest idea what a temporal distortion really is
ProfessorD - Great. I just dissed Marshall's girl pal. Don't hit me, guy.
Marshall Barnes - Well Prof, send an email to Infinity Factory and request me as a guest!
Marshall Barnes - She doesn't really have "a story". She was just repeating the Montauk stuff and some of what she's been told. She really has been drawn into this whole thing by a bizarre series of coincidences and that's pretty much it...
Marshall Barnes - She's told me before that she's only taking down what she finds, though I do believe she has good instincts. She's just not like into the kind of investigative thing like I am. The quest for the "truth" no matter the risk, isn't what she's about. She just likes the mystery of it all.
Marshall Barnes - As far as believing her over Al Bielek, what's to believe? I don't believe anything without some kind of evidence. For example she says that Phil Schneider was murdered. Well it looks like he was. She says that he claimed that he had letters that proved that his dad was involved in the Philadelphia Experiment. Well news flash kids, I thoroughly investigated those letters and proved conclusively that the data they contained was pure BS. And based on my investigation, she concurs.
Marshall Barnes - I do have new info on early testing of the PX, developed, BTW by the time travel babe herself, Chica. It looks like that there was an experimental ship that was purchased by the NDRC for testing the invisibility equipment under the cover of doing anti-mine research.
eldridge - Will this new info show up in your sequel booklet?
Marshall Barnes - Yes the new info with the letters themselves are in the new book along with pictures of the early testing ship, and the ship that Allende said might have been used instead of the DE-173, plus lots more.
eldridge - You know that I found a reference to the NDRC in Tom Bowers book on "Project Paperclip"?
MarshallBarnes - I don't doubt it, eldridge. The NDRC was into EVERYTHING. They even did the first TV broadcast from an airplane!
eldridge - Wow
dogpound - How can we get your books?
Marshall Barnes - You have to go through Phoenix Books LTD and the address is posted on the message board over at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9378. It's over there in a message about me and the book. I'm sorry I don't have the address memorized cause I didn't set it up and don't really handle that part.
Marshall Barnes - I spent all last summer tracking down leads to try to solve this whole PX thing and I've come pretty close. Here are the results so far: We know that Dr. Rinehart had inside information and everything that could be verified that he described - from the physics to the people, were right on the money. We know that the physics behind the PX was pursued by the Air Force secretly as part of Project Winterhaven from T. Townsend Brown. That ended up being why the B2 contract went to Northrop instead of Lockheed because the Northrop version could use electro-gravitic tech via the Bielfeld-Brown effect and with some tweeking the field around the plane could refract the light and make it optically invisible as well as increase the plane's radar stealthiness. I saw the B2 do this near Wright-Pat Air Force Base in 1994 but didn't recognize it because of the angle of its flight path. On the Discovery Channel Web site there is a page for the B2. Go to the part where the wire frame model is and turn it so that it is facing away from you and is perfectly level. That is what I saw and that is not the usual angle that it is photographed at.
Marshall Barnes - Now, the Russians pursued the PX legend as well. The March 1996 issue of Fate magazine tells this in an article about a Russian time machine research project. Now late last year, the Russians say that they have a "black box" that will make any plane as radar stealthy as the B2. How do they say they can do this?. They say they can do it with plasma sheath physics. Now, there is a direct relationship between that physics and the physics described by Rinehart that was part of the PX.
Marshall Barnes - When you add that with the work of Unitel, you have a defacto recreation of the PX.
jshaffer - What did Haisch do? I must've missed that.
Marshall Barnes - Haisch protected Vallee in the face of being presented the evidence that Anatomy was a complete fraud...
jshaffer - Oh, OK, I forgot about that.
jshaffer - The name Haisch triggered thoughts of ZPE theory, not publishing.
Marshall Barnes - I've got letters from other scientific journal editors that state there's no way that they would have done the same thing and that to do what he did was unethical and a violation of the responsibilities of a journal editor.
Marshall Barnes - And I'll tell you what else, when I began to reveal to these editors the details of my investigation against Haisch, the entire email company got hit with a massive attack that crashed their entire system and destroyed all the records in the email addresses. But I had already made hard copies of the material. I wasn't sure if what happened was really an "attack" until the PX list started getting attacks and those early chat events that I did were hit as well.
Marshall Barnes - Yes, Haisch is none for ZPE as well as Aviary member Hal Puthoff, and a number of other researchers.
Marshall Barnes - So with my discovering, with Chica's help, this test ship that allegedly was used prior to the destroyer, I was able to get closer to what actually happened and it follows the same account that Rinehart gives. Now here's the deal, I can't say for sure that it was the Eldridge and Rinehart never mentions the ship name. All those guys from the crew that were interviewed were no where near the Eldridge when it was launched so there's still time for it to have been launched and in use
Marshall Barnes - Now I have looked into the possibility of other destroyers and the two that I had leads on came up interesting but not the connected, at least not from the old sailors that I've talked to. So there you go. We have a story that's backed up by a lot of good physics and information and fought against by interests that seemingly have something at stake (and fought with, I might add with lies and disinformation) but we don't have the absolute, definitive link that can be proven.
Marshall Barnes - So that's where I am with the PX. I would like to go further, but I want to really pursue my other research into the nature of reality itself.
Marshall Barnes - I'll make no bones about it. I intend on taking the ideas from the Incunabula and Montauk Project as far as I can. I firmly believe (and feel that I have the evidence) that I inadvertently remote viewed a parallel world in the late '80s and early '90s and I got certain technologies from there. Now at the time I thought it was just my using my imagination because I didn't know about remote viewing or that parallel worlds had any scientific basis. I was using an altered state technique for mind expansion and enhanced creativity at the time. The results were that I acquired ideas that were advanced for their time. The payoff - as far as them being "evidence" is that they are still advanced now more than ten years later.
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